Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. No. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. UNLOCK PROFILE. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. The Dignity Memorial brand name is used to identify a network of licensed funeral, cremation and cemetery providers that include affiliates of Service Corporation International, 1929 Allen Parkway, Houston, Texas. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Her next parole hearing will be in 2020. She claims the 13-year-old boy was also shot with a BB gun and taunted with racial slurs during a sleepover. Lived In Salt Lake City UT. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. You read a few comments. (Yes, speculative). It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. She had one arm totally out of commission. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. Her family supported her. The case NEVER made sense to me. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. (Appendix 81, page 1466). Because she had driven that area for years for her work. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. 5. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother Its a fact. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. Page 26 of Case History. It seemed as if Diane Downs bizarre and tragic story was over when she was sent away to prison to serve her sentence, but on July 11, 1987, Downs escaped from the Oregon Women's Correctional Center in Salem. Where to begin? Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. Messed. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. Expand the Memories and Condolences form. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. It is because she is a high profile person. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. Inflammatory and speculative Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. She said She did it. It was flawed. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. Wasnt he the stranger? Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. In reply to Kit Is it too late to respond to this? Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History For Downs, this was the last straw in a series of culminating disappointments in her life. Diane Downs is no exception. Robert Craig KNICKERBOCKER was born on December 25, 1932 and passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson, AZ and is under the care of. I can't bear any of my tribal members to go through what I went through, says Ashlea Aldrichs mother. She did it. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. She even provided the police with her own sketch. See All About BORN December 25, 1932 DIED May 15, 2015 LOCATION Tucson,. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. It should be removed from the blog. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. You need real evidence in court. Discovery, Inc. or its subsidiaries and affiliates. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. It was not unlike brainwashing. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. (He WAS shot in the back remember). 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. They checked her shoes and they were clean. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. Same with her brother. Shes guilty. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). The rest of the family? Downs said that she then faked throwing her keys out of the car into some bushes, pushed the gunman away, and got back into her car and drove as fast as she could to the hospital with her gravely injured children. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? We cant. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. Spokeo's database, while extensive, does not contain all U.S. warrant, arrest, court, or other related records. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Postal Service to be closer to her parents. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. I will not remove anything. 2. Phone Number: (520) 293-QPFP +2 phones. Diane and her family fought for them but were blocked from day one. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. How about dads side of the family? Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? Its tiresome. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. They rarely get a break. Shes where she belongs. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. Q. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Downs tried to defend herself against the allegations and said, "Why would I have taken my kids to the hospital? It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. This is not the reason she is still locked up. 6. He actually was the one who suggested they become intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. The ghastly crimes were not perpetrated by a nameless, faceless stranger as she told police, but seemingly by Diane Downs herself. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. What was the justification? My question is: why is she still locked up? ""Moochie"" was a Senior at the time of his death, November 6, 1974. . Then they just got shut out. Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. He told the police that Diane had previously stalked him and had even seemed willing to kill his wife to have him all to herself. I dont. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. They were treated very badly in this matter. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Dianes ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Robert came clean to his wife about the affair, and then, went on to help the police in their investigation. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. Steve knew that Diane had multiple affairs, and that Danny was not his biological son, and he and Diane divorced in 1980. 1st, you came back from a trip? He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. Page 35 of Case History. and so on. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. It simply states the facts of the case. The detective said to leave that up to the police. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. It means you dont orphan the kids. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. 2023 SCI SHARED RESOURCES, LLC. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. Join Facebook to connect with Robert Knickerbocker and others you may know. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. 2023 Warner Bros. It wasnt their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. It is called a conflict of interest. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. 4. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. Thank you Lise. Thanks again. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. She was not in the car when her children were shot. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. To find out which of Robert De Niro's films stand out among the rest, Stacker found his top 50 movies based on IMDb user ratings. Downs called Robert Knickerbocker, a married man and a former coworker in Arizona with who she had been having an affair. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. I agree on many points with your comment. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. Even put in different hospitals. The Downs incident occurred on May 19, 1983, when the 27-year-old mother insisted that she and her three children had been shot by a stranger on a deserted road in Springfield, Oregon. Robert resides in Tucson, AZ with Deborah. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. I am just curious. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. I followed the trial. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. Everyone in the world can believe something. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. View Robert Knickerbocker results in Florida (FL) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. Robert Knickerbocker is 66 years old today because Robert's birthday is on 05/15/1956. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. Today, Diane Downs is 63 years old and sits in a California prison. That says it all. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. Refine Your Search Results. 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