LA-Mets Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. October 19, 2011 Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. John Bruce Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. He eats his product.' Robert His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. "I used to like to say, 'There are a lot of guys with good bellies and bad arms.' December 20, 2019 You can't be serious. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Mr. Sparkle HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. In his first three seasons, he compiled a 17-29 record in 82 games. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. pete Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Mickey liked his doughnuts. November 19, 2002 I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Mr. Sparkle Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Scripps to his son , W.J. Baseball burnt him out. August 11, 2015 April 6, 2012 So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. December 8, 2006 Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Ramblin' Pete April 30, 2009 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. No contest. Bob P April 30, 2009 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. support. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. What an interesting parallel, huh? I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Al No contest. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Shickhaus Franks Rusty could hit with the lights out. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Lolich won't reveal his weight, but hints that he's in the two-hundred-thirty-something range, about 20 pounds over his playing weight. Mike B But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. November 12, 2006 Bartolo Colon etc). Thanks for the memories, Mick! June 30, 2019 Raymond Malcuit And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Tigers Mickey Lolich signed Jersey WCOA. feat fan (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Ken Akerman He later came back to play for the Padres. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Mr. Sparkle feat fan LA-Mets Kooz Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. After one year in New York Lolich retired. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the But the facts are: Really? Mike B Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. senor ortiz As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Really? But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. July 15, 2016 August 7, 2018 Really? (thankfully returning in '81). I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Shari I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Larry Burns The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Baseball burnt him out. It was not made for the purpose of improving the team. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. (And Jane Jarvis too!). April 27, 2013 Background Lolich, Mickey Stephen was born on September 12, 1940 in Portland, Oregon, United States. senor ortiz Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. 170 lbs.? Cut him some slack. bob saunders The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Bartolo Colon etc). The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! December 8, 2006 Shari April 24, 2003 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Jay #226 AL Strikeout Leaders - Mickey Lolich / Sam McDowell / Denny McLain / Sonny Siebert. In 1971-72, when Thomas was the star running back of the Dallas Cowboys' Super Bowl VI team, he was known as the Sphinx, the man who not only refused to talk to the press but also barely spoke to his teammates and coaches. He later came back to play for the Padres. Bob P So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. August 7, 2018 End of Line Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. October 13, 2008 Jamey Bumbalo He started, completed, and won three games, allowing only 5 runs and 6 walks, while striking out 21, in 27 innings. Rusty played another decade. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. John Bruce We are going all the way!" April 23, 2003 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Larry Burns His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Peter Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. The point is he made a bad team worse. body would be a pretty slender person. October 4, 2005 September 25, 2013 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. June 30, 2019 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. snook Dianna Jeanneh Jones October 19, 2011 October 18, 2008 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. April 27, 2013 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Raymond Malcuit Mike B As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. May 6, 2003 October 4, 2006 I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Man, he was a big one. Mr. Sparkle Man, those pitches were big ones. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. John Bruce (thankfully returning in '81). A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. January 12, 2011 Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? October 2, 2005 Wood again went the distance, allowing just 2 runs. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. $105.00. Discover Mickey Lolich's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Terminaron la campaa con 328 aperturas. Shari John Bruce To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. May 6, 2003 He later resurfaced with the Padres. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. May 7, 2013 He later resurfaced with the Padres. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. August 11, 2015 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. senor ortiz In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Max Power August 7, 2018 The Bellevue Hotel on Bellevue Island was built in 1899. etc. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Bartolo Colon etc). July 15, 2016 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Mr. Sparkle Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey Lolich's Great World Series Lolich was great. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Raymond Malcuit But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Close. June 30, 2019 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. - Now for the trade itself. bob saunders But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. eddiek And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. Rusty played another decade. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mr. Sparkle Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. That's more realistic but generous, I think! to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Jim Snedeker Shickhaus Franks Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Trace the evolution of the Mets official uniform over the years. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. August 7, 2002 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Mickey Lolich at his donut shop in Detroit. He started 45 games and completed 29. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Shickhaus Franks No contest. Doug S. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. =Chuck= Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. January 12, 2011 September 25, 2013 August 7, 2018 His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. We caught up with Lolich, who won three games in that World Series and earned MVP honors, for a conversation about a range of topics covered in his book, including the 1967 riots in Detroit, his. snook support. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Larry Burns There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. May 7, 2013 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. March 22, 2005 Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Mr. Sparkle However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. April 6, 2012 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Robert Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. The pretty ones and the ugly ones -- we have them all! HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. LA-Mets According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. April 27, 2013 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. etc. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Raymond Malcuit Mickey liked his doughnuts. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. July 31, 2002 Jay Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. - Now for the trade itself. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Really? Near Mint - 7. And complaining about how fat he was? Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Jamey Bumbalo As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. October 19, 2011 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Floyd operated the gas station on that corner. Mr. Sparkle Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. No idea, but as a kid I liked the ice fountain sculpture thing they did in the winter. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Story was Coolidge (Republican) did something that irritated the mostly Democratic community in Orion. 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